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Preparing Your Mind to Deal with Oracle and Indian Recruiters

Executive Summary

  • Dealing with terrible entities requires preparation of the mind.
  • We cover how to deal with two of the worst entities in software.

Introduction

This article is a response to a question received regarding dealing with swarms of Indian recruiters.

I am an SAP SD Consultant in California. I have been contacted by five different recruiting agencies for a local contract. After reviewing each one online, I’ve found they all have terrible reviews. They don’t pay on time or at all, con artist, don’t reimburse for travel, etc. They have some good reviews too, but not sure how authentic they are. Could you please give me some advice? Other than throwing darts to pick one… I don’t know what to do here.

Thanks very much for your time. .

The first thing to notice is that the types of things declared as problems, such as not paying on time, not reimbursing for travel, etc… were not issues in the US IT contract market before Indians arrived and took over most IT contract recruiting market. This is more evidence that Indians are dropping the labor standards in IT. And with hundreds of thousands of foreign workers coming into the country every year, as we cover in the article How the H1-B Program Understates The True Number of Yearly H1-B Visas, this is only going to continue to erode US working standards.

This topic is barely mentioned in the standard IT media. The standard IT media, which primarily takes the sides of corporations, which means taking the side of foreign workers that erode the rights, pay, and standards applied to US domestic workers, all of the negative aspects of this Indian invasion of the US IT market are swept under the rug.

Both major corporations and, therefore, IT media are in favor of degraded labor standards in the US because it means more money and more control for them!

What Corporations Are Telling Us

Corporations have made their desire for a complete takeover of IT by foreign workers plain by how they lobby US politicians, as we cover in the article Why Are 47 Entities Lobbying in Favor of the H.R.1044 IT Immigration Bill.

The behavior of corporations with H1-B and in opposing unions and even increases in the minimum wage illustrates that they want to push the US back to the standards before the labor movement. This includes no 40 hour work week, no safety standards, no paid time off even for illness (already not offered to low wage workers).

And while this is more apparent than the sun in the sky, IT media entities spend most of their time covering how foreign workers’ visa programs need to be expanded.

This movie was ahead of its time. This movie perfectly describes how US IT workers feel dealing with Indian recruiters. 

How Bad at Recruiting are Indians?

What is curious is how bad Indian recruiters are at their job.

Indian recruiters have close to universally terrible ethics. Still, they normally have enormous English communication problems, lack conscientiousness, normally know less about the technology, and even what terms stand for than US domestic recruiters. The proposal by the H1-B lobby is that bringing in Indians was all about “skills,” something negated in the article How the Pay Level of H1-B Visa Workers Contradicts Industry’s High Skills Argument, and the article How The H1-Bs Are Pushing Out Domestic US Workers of IT and STEM, is again contradicted by the existence of Indian recruiters in the US. This is yet another arrow in the target of the false construct that all of the Indians brought into the US are highly skilled.

Still, with their awful performance as recruiters, they now dominate the US contract recruiting market. This illustrates that whatever they did to accomplish this feat was not based upon quality. A major factor that pushed Indian recruiters forward was that such a high percentage of IT workers are now Indian. There is now an enormous number of Indians who believe that US IT jobs belong to them and not to the US’s citizens.

This shows that Indians use a specific strategy, which is “flooding the market,” which we cover in the article How Indians Flood the US Market with Indian Resources.

Our Recommendation and Response

Our first recommendation for this questioner and all domestic US IT workers is to read our article, The Worst SAP Recruiters List. The majority of recruiters on this list are Indian firms, although plenty of UK-based firms are also on the list.

The next step we recommend is to get oneself in the right frame of mind.

Time to Sit Down For a Good Prison Movie

I recommend good prison movies like this one — called Runaway Train. It’s a classic from the 1980s.

This scene is called “I am right here; shoot me.” The protagonist Manny, played by John Voight, is reacting to a murder attempt by a fellow inmate set up by the Associate Warden Ranken, who just had to let him out of solitary confinement. 

Many excellent prison movies show live at absolute the lowest level. This is a window into the soul of who one will be dealing with.

This type of movie prepares the minds of a civilized person to deal with the uncivilized Indian recruiters and deal with Oracle employees. Before the rise of brutal monopolies like Oracle, our anti-trust legislation was explicitly designed to bring to heel (and which, due to elite influence, we have stopped enforcing), and the mass infusion of Indian workers to the US, the treatment of workers, was far better. I now have US domestic IT workers reaching out to me frequently.

They are often in a state of shock and unable to process the degradation of the work environment. They can’t say anything or will branded racists and singled out by HR departments for “disrupting harmony.”

The walls are closing in on US domestic IT workers, where in the past, IT workers could find alternative companies to work for, say once Cisco or eBay became overrun by Indians who discriminated against them and “Indianized the culture,” there are increasingly fewer places to run. Fewer places to work where Indians have not taken over. US domestic IT contractors now find it increasingly difficult to find US recruiters to work with. They are being forced into working in the degraded environment of Indian IT recruiters.

Domestic IT workers feel constant time pressure. They must deal with the Indianization of their field. They must continually obtain new certifications, certifications that Indians cheat or pay other Indians to pass for them — the same way that Indian education corruption works. Each US domestic worker sees themselves as an “individuals.” Particularly technical individuals in the US have been trained to think of competing based on their skills. 

However, that is not how Indians see it.

Indians function not as individuals but as a hive. Most Indians have much more extensive networks within a few years of working in the US, as US domestic workers have spent their entire lives in the US. 

Tick, Tick Tick…

More older US domestic IT workers retire or leave the profession every year that passes, and more young Indians come in on foreign worker visas. And this is not merely individuals or H1-B mills like Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, and the rest. As China has had an industrial policy to steal IP and manufacturing capacity from the US, India’s industrial policy is to capture the developed countries’ IT services industry. 

This is accomplished by a combination of unbridled immigration fraud and outsourcing to India. Hostile foreign powers are rapidly capturing two critical industries for the developed world.

Both India and China have accomplished a significant part of their objective in just a few decades. We are currently only in the transitory stage. The eventual goal of India and China is to have captured virtually all of these industries — and once they get each area — they intend to keep it. US domestic workers cannot expect their pleas to be “let back into the industry” to be taken seriously. “Opening up” is a one-way street.

Of course, all of this is a small price to pay so that Cisco and Infosys can push down their labor costs and push the saved money to the company’s executives.

Right?

The type of graphic you will never see in an IT media entity. The US now has a higher income inequality than the great depression and is on par with the middle ages — that is when Europe lived under a monarchial system. 

The Reality of Dealing with Indian Recruiters

While prison movies are good to view before interacting with Indian recruiters, I see how a non-Indian can deal with an Indian recruiter working under contract with them. The information they provide is useless because they are merely lying to you a very significant percentage of the time. Indian recruiters repeatedly cover up for their own desires by stating..

“The client wants this, the client needs, it is the client.”

By pushing every unreasonable expectation onto the client, they never have to make the case or justify their requests. Indian society is quite hierarchical, and there is little thinking beyond the acquisition of narrow technical skills.

Indians Exploit Indians

India is a  country of massive labor exploitation, so most exploitation of Indians happens at the hands of other Indians.

Here bonded labor is shown in India. The managers of this kiln had to be confronted by authorities actually to pay their workers. 

These children are working in a mine in India, which, while technically illegal, is not enforced. 

There is an excellent argument that most of the Indian population is in some shape or form enslaved. Indians only very rarely agitate for changes in India to stop these things. What Indians will put a great deal of effort into is complaining about how US visa restrictions need to be expanded. 

Western elites often question whether they should critique these practices. After all, they aren’t perpetrated by whites — and therefore, there is an open question as to whether it is newsworthy or even problematic. And if the offenders are not European, there is very little interest from, say The New York Times. The New York Times wants offenders who are white. 

We have been trying to get whites to purchase some of these mines in India, where there is child labor. Not because we support child labor — but because without white ownership, there is no racism to how the children are treated in Indian mines, and without the racism angle, there will be no coverage of the child miners. Notice also that Indian media entities do not cover these topics. Media is highly censored in India. Indians have debated me that there is absolutely no bonded labor in India.

Discrimination is Only Illegal if You are White

This also extends to protection for discrimination in the US. Discrimination can only be taken seriously if the victimizers are white. Indians are pleased to use their brown card to engage in extensive discrimination against US domestic workers, as we cover in the article The Amazing Fact That 99.7% of Tata Consulting is Indian. Tata can be certain to bring over mass quantities of Indian workers and never have to worry about the US government investigating their many US offices for discrimination.

Indians reach out to me and tell me how they get screwed over by Indian recruiters. So US domestic IT workers should not consider it anything personal. US domestic IT workers are just soft targets.

I cover this in the following article Why Dealing with Indian Recruiters is Futile for Domestic Workers.

Secondly, in most cases, Indian recruiters are not even interested in placing US domestic workers. They need a “proxy” domestic individual to appear to be what they aren’t, which is a bottom-of-the-barrel recruiting company that only places Indians. US domestic IT candidates are suitable for this. And US domestic resumes are good to copy from and then paste the experience onto an Indian resume. 

Oracle and Indian Recruiters

There are two entities that I try to put myself into a different frame of mind when dealing with. One is anyone who works for Oracle. Oracle is basically a full-time graduate school for chiselers.

This is a rather routine discussion at any office of an Indian recruiter or the Oracle corporation. 

Indian culture has no real limits in terms of labor exploitation. Labor is exploited in India. India never went through any labor movement that occurred in the developed world. It is acceptable in India to both pay people terribly and treat them terribly. Abusive treatment is now commonplace in the US IT market, and it is clearly headed further downhill.

In India, the Hindu religion for thousands of years has legitimized the mistreatment of the Dalits or “untouchables.” These people are considered garbage in India and can be treated any stronger caste member desires anyway.

How Indians Are Changing IT Labor Standards in the Developed World

The more Indians immigrate to the US and other developed countries like Canada and Australia, the more the labor standards begin to migrate to the Indian level. Indians generally seek to instantiate Indian methods and standards onto the US rather than adopting the US standards. This is why I cover in the article Contract Clauses to Watch Out for In Indian Professional Service Agreements, how Indian subcontract agreements are appalling.

Conclusion

One has to prepare the mind for dealing with Oracle and Indian recruiters. The mental framework is the same. It is the prison mindset. Dog eat dog, kill, or be killed, and ethics mean nothing. Civilized people must brutalize their minds in preparation for interactions. Cisco, Infosys, IBM, and the many other firms that lobby for more and more foreign workers have decided this is the path forward.

And after all, we have to compete with China.