- We have been running a survey on the website for some time.
- Here are the results of the survey on Indian discrimination.
We have been tracking the growing problem of discrimination by Indians against US domestic IT workers. For months we have been running a survey on this topic.
See our references for this article and other articles on Indian IT Discrimination at this link.
One of the biggest issues that surveys do not address is the statistical representativeness of the sample. They breeze past this for the simple reason that it is difficult to get a representative sample without significant investment in the survey. One example is surveys run by companies like SAP user groups that actively craft surveys to prevent negative information from coming into the results. Another example was found in the article How to Understand Forrester’s Fake S/4HANA TCO Study, where they accepted a ridiculously small sample of three clients from SAP that was clearly rigged. Surveys run by entities with financial bias are not reliable — and the entity that runs the survey also leaves out their financial bias.
And we don’t want to state that this survey is statistically representative. There is no reasonable way for us to get a sample that is statistically representative of the population— as our only mechanism of getting respondents is to have readers fill out a survey. The article the individuals who filled out the survey came from was an article about the issue of Indian discrimination.
However, there is diversity in the responses, and the survey results are consistent with the many individuals that have reached out to us over several years, as well as observations from many IT environments. Secondly, we have no financial bias to rig the results as would a vendor user group which is trying to please a vendor. There was also no funding for this survey. Unlike a user group with all manner of financial entanglements, we don’t worry about offending any entity and are publishing these survey results even though they are not politically correct. And that is another greatly under-discussed issue, which is if an entity performs a survey, but lacks the fortitude to publish the results, or seeks to censor the results, then that entity should not be performing surveys.
Some Indians Who Tried to Fake The Survey Results
The survey was very clear that it was not looking for Indians to fill out the survey. Yet this did not stop some Indians from filling out the survey in any case. We were able to catch them. It would seem the point of this would be for the Indians to later say
“Ha, I fooled you, your survey is not valid, because it reported my fake entry.”
We removed these entries from the results. But this should tell us all something — this is a culture that looks to falsify the entry into a survey as they are afraid of the outcome of the survey and seek to undermine its results.
Here are the results of the survey up to this point.
Indians Filling Out the Survey Honestly
There were a few Indians who filled out the survey who identified themselves as Indian. Some Indians, particularly Christian and Muslim Indians who reach out to report discrimination by Indian Hindus who have immigrated to the US and feel like the same discrimination in India is now being replayed by in the US.
These individuals are not US domestic workers, however, as they were not hiding their identity, and had important things to say, we included them in the survey results. This illustrates the multidimensional nature of the issue. That is some Indians are also facing discrimination by the dominant Indians that have come to have unreasonable control over the US foreign worker visa program. Some Indians are within the emigration dominant Hindu Andhra Pradesh region but are not of the preferred caste. Just as Europeans don’t have a single “European” who represents all of Europe (for example, I am predominantly both Irish and German, and not Greek or Lithuanian)
India is a large geographic area that is presently called India but historically was a large number of independent regions. So there is also not just a singular “Indian.”
Question #1: US Workers Who Have Faced Discrimination by Indians
This is more than 91% of the respondents felt this way.
Question #2: Indian Recruiters
Almost 95% of the respondents have felt negatively impacted by Indian recruiters. This is not at all surprising. Indian recruiters have earned a terrible reputation for both for incompetence, language issues, IP theft (taking domestic worker resumes and placing Indians on them and replacing the actual worker with experience), and discrimination against non-Indians. We covered this in the article The Frightening Rise of the Indian Recruiters in IT.
Question #3: US Politics Promoting Indian Immigration and H1-B and Foreign Worker Enlargement
The entirety of the survey question cannot be read. So I have pasted it below.
We covered how an enormous number of powerful companies lobby politicians (both Democrat and Republican) in the US to enlarge the H1-B program. Why are 47 US Entities Lobbying in Favor of the HR.1044 IT Immigration Bill?
Most likely, similar forces are at work in other countries that accept Indian H1-B type workers.
What are your thoughts on the influence of corporations on setting these work visas for Indian workers?
93% 0f respondents believe that corporations have too much power.
This is curious. Who are the 8.6% who think that corporations have around the right amount of power? This is simply an impossible perspective as the US domestic worker has virtually no influence on the foreign worker programs, the legislation is written by corporations and its difficult even to understand them, as they are written specifically to be unintelligible to all except those who write the bill.
Naturally, as I proposed earlier that there was not a way to make the results statistically representative, this response illustrates that there are some respondents who are not one just one side of the issue.
Question #4: Indian Skills
We cover in the article How Industry Lobbyists Make False Claims Around US Skill, that lobbyists who want to drive down US wages and who work for US and Indian corporations have no compunction around making false claims. This resonates with close to 97% of the respondents.
Question #5: Reducing Rights for US Domestic Workers
The entirety of the survey question cannot be read. So I have pasted it below.
Studies are very clear that bringing in workers with restricted rights from lower cost countries reduces wages for domestic workers. How much do you think reducing wages is a motivator for corporations that support importing Indian labor?
Close to 80% of the respondents thought that lowering wages was a motivator. 10% thought it was only somewhat of a motivator.
Again, this is odd, as it is a fact that importing Indian labor reduces wages. This is covered under “supply and demand.” How can more supply be added to anything, and the price stay the same? This seems like it would be self-evident, yet there are articles in the establishment media that propose importing foreign workers increases opportunities for domestic workers.
Question #6: Bringing in Such Large Number of Indian Workers
The entirety of the survey question cannot be read. So I have pasted it below.
The character of many IT departments has significantly changed since the large scale importation of H1-B labor to Western countries. Do you feel that the hiring of so many Indian workers creates a hostile work environment for you — a domestic worker?
91% of respondents thought this was true. We covered this topic for women in the article How H1-B Indians Create a Hostile Work Environment for Women.
This is, of course, an enormous topic. Under the original idea, the H1-B and other foreign worker programs were just going to allow companies to access foreign workers, it was never discussed — and is not discussed anywhere in the establishment media — that those workers would become so numerous, that they would change the culture of the US domestic work environment that it would create hostility to US workers.
A major part of the hostility is that Indians routinely target jobs, and try to push out US workers, or undermine them so that they can replace them with Indian friends. This is covered in the following quotation about the experience working with Indians in Dubai.
“Everyone in the Middle East has the same ethical problems. If you hire one Indian, they only hire fellow Indians then they pillage the company. Egyptians and other Arabs do the same. That is why Westerners are useful.”
Question #7: Control of IT Media Entities
The entirety of the survey question cannot be read. So I have pasted it below.
Some of our research has found that nearly all of the IT media entities are financially connected to IT corporations. We think this greatly influences how the Indian employee issue is covered. But how would you rate the coverage of H1-B and related issues?
Close to 83% of the respondents agree with this statement. 15.5% never thought about the question, and only 1 of the respondents think the coverage is unbiased.
We have covered this topic in so many articles. Still, on the foreign worker issue, it is just indisputable that IT media takes the position of corporations and emphasizes the needs of foreign workers, and give either zero or close to zero coverage of US domestic workers. ComputerWeekly or other IT publications would never write an article that contradicted the wishes of the multinationals that advertise with them and buy paid placements.
Question #8: Indian Corruption
The entirety of the survey question cannot be read. So I have pasted it below.
All of the firms that we follow that are of Indian origin have high levels of corruption. India itself ranks highly in corruption. The idea of corrupting being imported to countries from India is rarely covered in IT media.
Of the Indians you have worked with, how would you rate their forthrightness versus other domestic workers you have worked with?
More than 91% of the respondents consider Indians workers to be less honest than domestic US workers. This question was asked because this is a well-known issue with Indian workers. This is, of course, a massive issue. Dishonesty is rampant in the IT sector, with vendors and consulting firms lying to their customers in the sales process as a matter of routine. We are tracking corruption on the part of Indian resources who are hiring resources from companies that provide them with kickbacks.
We receive numerous stories of scams being run by Indians. The article The Problem With Indians as GateKeepers for US IT Purchases covers this growing problem.
Question #9: Open Answer
This question allowed the individuals to provide their own explanation of their observations around discrimination by Indians.
Comment #1: On Working With Indians?
They are very racist. Horrible to work for. Very disrespectful to women. Liars. Very condescending. Nice if you can do something for them. But fake.
Comment #2: On The Need to Get Congress Involved?
I’m glad you have published this article. I have experienced everything in it. I have a lot of difficulties finding employment because it is not a fair playing field. Too many Americans believe the lies told in Congress. Please help do more to influence Congress and companies to stop these discriminatory practices.
Comment #3: On the Indian Caste System Placing Blacks on the Bottom?
As an African American the racism I have faced from Indians is by far the worst I have ever had. The caste system which they practice deems Black people as the lowest. Additionally what companies are doing is using the ethnic quota system and filling it with Indians.
Comment #4: On Working as a White Female with Indians?
I am a white female working in IT, as a QA contractor. I have observed, since 2008, full-scale replacement of white/domestic employees with lower-wage, less-skilled Indians on a regular basis. I contracted with HCL, and I could not help but notice all other IT employees were Indian. I finally realized that I (as non-Indian) was only hired because they could not find an Indian who was bilingual (I am non-Hispanic American; I am also fluent in Spanish). In my current job, out of approximately 40 people in IT, I am the ONLY white person. I am very capable at my job. Nonetheless, I am yelled at, micromanaged, minimized, marginalized, and I am treated as lowest on the totem pole. My work successes are overlooked, and if I make the slightest error, it is magnified.
One manager has such a heavy accent it’s an actual problem for many coworkers to understand what he is trying to communicate. I have had Indians co-workers take credit for my work right in front of me. I am treated like I know nothing. Yet I am held to a higher standard than my co-workers. In meetings, I am silenced so regularly that I no longer participate- I just get talked over. I have been lied to, undermined, and treated poorly. I remain at my current job because I love the work, and I need the job, but I can see I am being setup to be pushed out now. I would have NEVER taken an IT career path had I known it would become completely the realm of Indians. My skills are in IT, and starting work in another field would mean a significant drop in wages. Some mornings I don’t want to get up because I don’t feel like going through all the implicit ‘requirements’ of my job- mainly, the Indian ‘politics’. I have to fight every day to keep my job.
Comment #5: On Working With Indian Corruption?
Indian consultants seek out and enjoy ‘the swamp’ agreeing to client demands, readily saying yes to poor designs, because it leads to longer projects and subsequently more maintenance revenues. White workers with experience are side-lined, because their honesty with clients, leads to simpler designs and less implementation/maintenance effort – a threat to revenue.
Vendors like SAP used to be able to put breaks and checks on designs, but they too now have mostly Indian consultants, who are challenged by software sales targets (e.g. not possible to return software/loss of licence revenue).
Comment #6: On Ruining The Careers of Domestic IT Workers?
The influx of H1B Indian workers in the IT industry has destroyed the entire platform for domestic workers to remain in the once highly sought after career. I have been in the IT field for 20 years. I have not seen any domestic workers hired at my company in well over 10 + years. I have tried to hire American workers only to see the positions filled by “connected” family members or was told by my Indian manager that they found a candidate who fit the position perfectly ironically by someone from India. It is an absolute shame what has been going on.
Comment #7: On the Replacement of Domestic US Workers?
I have been in IT for over 20 years. In the past 5 years, I have been personally discriminated by Indian workers and managers while HR has stood back and done nothing. My entire teams were discriminated against and forced out if they were American and replaced with less qualified Indian applicants. Quality has depleted in design and code due to inexperienced H1B workers. Majority of work still done by remaining American IT workers while H1B workers get on the job training. I personally have witnessed the falsified resumes, manipulated job postings, hiding of H1B postings, falsified performance reports, and blatant lies used to force out Americans. Very hostile environments which Americans refuse to work and give up their careers completely in IT just to get away from it. Companies in Cary and RTP in NC have covered to majority Indian over past couple years as Americans who held those positions struggle to find new careers and employment. Even now with COVID, companies are laying off Americans in IT and keeping their H1B workers when clearly there are plenty of skilled Americans who can do the IT jobs.
Comment #8: On Data Privacy Laws?
I very much agree with everything that is referenced in your article. You have summed up brilliantly everything I have witnessed, known, and felt at the workplace for the past few years. The only issue I did not see covered in your article (which is beyond the scope of the article) is “Data Privacy Laws”. It does not give me comfort to know that, US, European, Canadian, and Australians IT companies (amongst others) are keeping our private and personal data on servers located overseas. Those servers are administered in countries whose governments do not necessarily adhere to our western privacy laws. This is a huge deal. In summary, the US IT corporation immigration lobbying must be brought under control, and the H1-B Visa System has to be reformed, not to negatively impact the US workers. Further, the H1-B allocation system needs to change to allow for a more global distribution and not be focused on workers from one country, i.e., India. I very much like what the current Administration has done in the past 3 years with denying more of the new H1-B visa applications and renewals. I hope they continue to do that. Thank you again for an honest and well-substantiated article.
Comment #9: On Weak Programming Knowledge of Indians?
90% of the Indians I have worked with have a very shallow understanding of programming fundamentals. You could train any US high school graduate in a few weeks, and make them a similarly qualified candidate. This does not happen since most Americans/non-Indians are not comfortable lying on there resume. I have worked with African and Central American immigrants and they are far more honest about their qualifications.
Comment #10: Training One’s Replacement?
Outsourced 4 times to Indian contracting had to train my replacement for reference even though I’d been told I’d done a fantastic job – one of which earned a patent for a medical device.
Comment #11: The Takeover of CS Fields By Imported Indian Worker?
I have held degrees in both EE and CS for thirty years, and have seen cheap offshore and H1-B workers from India (and a minority from other countries) decimate the IT and CS fields. In 2003, I was working with embedded systems and a colleague called me, telling me his whole department was being replaced by Indians they would be forced to train first. My friend decided to quit, rather than train his own replacement. At the time, I did not think the Indians would ever infiltrate embedded systems programming to the degree they had business applications programming. But fifteen years later, a lot of embedded systems work or at least the recruiting for it has become Indian-dominated as well.
An EE friend who had an Indian boss at a local company I interviewed described the experience as making him want to “put a gun in his mouth.” Luckily, I avoided working for that employer. The EE father of my nephew can no longer do engineering, but has been forced to switch to managing off-shore teams to stay employed. I advise anyone who is U.S. born, or otherwise a U.S. citizen of any ethnicity to reconsider a career in Electrical Engineering or Computer Science as the prospects for staying employed are not good. This is not an issue of racism. It affects U.S. citizens of every race. For example, one friend displaced by Indians was a formerly Vietnamese national who had worked hard to become a U.S. citizen and educate himself, ironically to have a chance at a better life in America. When that life was stolen from him by H1-B foreigners only ten years into his career as a computer scientist, it was devastating. He only survived because I advised him to pivot into embedded systems work, where H1-B’s had not yet infiltrated at the time.
Comment #12: Indians Are Overwhelmed by the Number of Indians?
I can’t believe this is happening in 21st century America. I’m an American of Indian origin and can pass for an Indian. Every manager I’m interviewing with is Indian!!! What happened to America? I as an Indian origin American know what nasty environments these Indian managers make.
Comment #13: Killing IT?
Indians’ skills are below average. They have killed IT. I would not encourage any American to pursue IT as a career. Companies deserve what they eventually will get. Money is all they care about.
Note this is the second or third comment advising US domestic workers who are choosing a field to not go into IT, specifically due to Indians.
Comment #14: The Walls are Closing in for Domestic IT Workers?
My work team has grown to be 75% Indian. I have never seen anything like this. One team member is an Indian who knows basically nothing about the role he was hired to fulfill; without wanting to sound cruel I must say he is unintelligent. I found it very strange because my interview process wasn’t easy. My interview process included a face to face interview where I had to write code on a white board, explain my thought process, etc. I am skilled in my field and I have significant experience so I was happy to earn the job. Recently five more Indians hired were all hired without onsite face to face interviews and they are undoubtedly NOT highly skilled professionals. This is all new to me and I’m kinda freaking out, I’m walking the hallways and there are Indians everywhere, why can’t we give these jobs to Americans? And why only Indians? And what’s going to happen to lil’ ol’ me? It’s freaking bizarre! I read something on this site referring to Indian recruiters taking over U.S. tech recruiting, that’s so true and scary too, I get 4 to 5 emails everyday from Indian recruiters and only Indian recruiters and the jobs are for positions nowhere near me, they are really bad recruiters. My current contract position which was through an American recruiter and I was so happy to hear from an American because I was dealing with nothing but Indian recruiters who have questionable skill sets and are difficult to understand much like my co-workers. It’s super duper weird and it happened so quickly it seems. I don’t have the answer. God Bless America.
Comment #15: From the Viewpoint of a Minority?
First of all, I’m considered a minority, Thirty or so years ago I enrolled in school to earn a degree in computer science. I thought my degree would be a ticket to a better life, but unfortunately, it has been heartaches and hell in between periods that i was actually employed. Being a minority it is especially difficult to land one of these jobs(IT) but with Indian companies taking over the hiring and recruitment process, it has become extremely difficult. Not only are you traditionally discriminated against because you are a minority, you are also discriminated against by a large foreign minority. This makes life on the job very difficult and precarious. Employers often ask “why does your resume look like Swiss cheese( you have been all over the place) ?. They erroneously assume that you are some type of trouble maker that can’t keep a job, when the real problem is subtle and inexorable discrimination and “goody goody” policies that are used to make it appear as if you are not a valuable employee. No matter how hard you work and produce for the company.
Comment #16: The Historical Pattern?
Indian workers are displacing domestic workers for the past 20 years.
Comment #17: Discrimination to Only Hire Indians?
Indian only hire other Indians, they routinely only speak English when they want you to hear something.
Comment #18: The Common Corruption of Indian IT Firms?
This is a growing problem among US companies. I have worked for Wipro right out of college in 2009. This was one of the most corrupt firms that I have ever worked for. I have been in IT for 10 years. I have seen increasing amounts of unexplained nepotism among Indians in IT departments at US companies. I have personally seen Indians “spice” up their resumes to get jobs that they are not qualified for.
I have also seen the influx of Indian recruiters in IT who are demonstrating racial motivation in filling positions. Many of these IT workers are intelligent, but not more skilled than any domestic worker.
Comment #19: The United Front of Indians Versus Non-Indians?
I have been a Systems Engineer for many Fortune 500 companies and what I have seen of the Indian takeover is appalling. This country has sold it’s IT workforce completely out. This should come as no surprise considering Tom Watson and IBM helped the Nazis kill six million jews. When you work with Indians you see, visibility, their clannishness and their exclusionary practices especially to other US minority groups. I would love to see a united front to overcome this ongoing crime. This is the best article I have seen on this subject, thank you very much.
Comment #20: Working for an Indian Recruiter: Seeing Incorrect Candidates Sent to Clients?
I worked as an IT recruiter 20 years ago and saw how it all began. I was shocked to learn how the process worked and how they would have one “educated” person doing ALL of the technical phone interviews, but sending other, much less skilled Indians to the actual job when offered. this is HOW they get in there.
Comment #21: The Band of Knowledge of Indian Workers?
Indian IT workers only have a narrow band of knowledge. The ones I’ve interviewed over the phone often have moderately long pauses while someone coaches them or looks up the answers for them. The ones that I work with are generally dishonest and can’t be depended on. The Indian IT managers are rude are just often seem to be underhanded and sneaky. I don’t trust any of them. I have been repeating the same issues with my colleagues for 4-5 years now. It is now growing exponentially, to where it is out of control. Thankfully, I can retire in 2020.
This is part of a sentiment that is repeated in other comments that are sent to us — that many US domestic IT workers that are senior are watching the clock and waiting until they can retire.
Comment #22: What it is Like as a Non-Indian Working for Indian IT Firms?
After accepting a job with TCS as a consultant I am shocked that almost everyone I’m working with is Indian. My team just hired a second Indian woman and it seems like she is trying to usurp me already. She and the woman that trained me in are talking in Indian language very often while I am working together with them, and makes me feel left out and harrassed!
The Indian consulting firms are almost entirely Indian, even though they employ many people outside of India. This is covered in the article The Amazing Fact That 99.7% of Tata Consulting is Indian. Normally, any non-white firm can stay 100% of their home ethnic group as discrimination laws are only enforced against whites. There have been some lawsuits against Indian firms for discrimination, but most have been unsuccessful. One important consideration is that Indians create such hostile work environments that most non-Indians know not to look for jobs at Indian companies.
Comment #23: Lowering the Quota?
Make it the same as Green Card quota. Dedicated numbers per country!
The recent legislation, such as the HR.1044 only increased the allocation of H1-Bs to Indians. As we cover in the article How Trump is the Only Person Doing Anything About Out of Control Indian Immigration, limits on immigration have tended to come only from Trump’s executive orders. These executive orders would be quickly overturned if Biden were to become president. (This is not an endorsement of Trump in general, but an observation that the only restriction to Indian immigration appears to be Trump and those in his senior staff.)
Comment #24: Discrimination at the FAANGs?
I have 25 years of IT experience in various fields. Constantly study to stay current. All of my former coworkers from Andhra Pradesh easily got jobs at FAANGS after being laid off. Some reported failing multiple interview questions, still got hired.
Those that interview at the FAANGs report heavy amounts of Indian interviewees. The results are conclusive that when the interviewee is Indian, the person selected usually is Indian as well.
Comment #25: US Culture Acquiescing?
It has something to do with the culture in US. It hurting itself, badly! I don’t see the light in the dark. IT will be two branches: Indian in US, EU. Chinese in China.
Comment #26: Abuse of the H1-B System?
The H1B system is severely abused by them. my first hand experience, many of them are corrupted, unprofessional, unethical and un-America. in the long run, it will most likely destroy western industries, that’s one of the reason we will lose to Asia countries to the end.
Comment #27: Getting The Truth?
I have worked in multiple countries and it is the same everywhere like what you said. I do not have much to add on but I would like to thank you for speaking the truth.
This brings up a point I will address in the conclusion — which is why the IT media is so silent on this topic.
Comment #28: The Same Process Playing Out in the EU?
I am working in a global company. We realized in the past 3 years (2016-2019) that slowly all managers, top managers changed to Indians. We (domestic workers) are not involved to project works, we have no authority for approvals, no right to change things. If we automated a process, it is totally ignored, they still do the process with 4 Indians while we have full automation. Projects: nothing written down, everything discussed internally in Bangalore, we involved to projects only with given task name and good luck.
I also experienced, that they spent a lot of money to travel an Indian to EU, who is hiring people (strictly alone, without involving domestic member), but stated that there is nobody he could hire. He is planned to move to EU in 2020 with whole family, and continue hiring (probably bringing people from India) They do not care about our culture, they do not respect work-life balance, do not care about our thoughts, if we do not follow them: door is open, they can bring more Indians. I cry, and realize this is the end, better to quit IT. There is nobody who could stand up for EU citizens, if you say something against it: you are stigmatized immediately: you are racist.
This survey was designed to receive input from domestic US IT workers, but the same thing is happening in the EU. This is at least the fourth comment that there is not much of a point for domestic workers to continue to plan careers in the IT field.
Comment #29: Indians and Deception, from a Hungarian?
They are liers. Falsifying reports and lying in front of higher management are their specialty. They value presence over real technical skills. They abuse any non-Indian with automation ideas. Later on, they may sell it as their own idea. Prefer hiring Indians over non-Indians. Indian managers keep the non-Indians continuously in the dark: hiding information but measuring against unreachable goals. They promise everything but do not keep their words at all. Bringing up the hierarchy and cast related questions cause them to become hostile. They are like the Eastern European gypsies: harm one causes the whole group opposing you. Furthermore, Indians continuously make you feel that they are better and more skilled. In reality, they are unable to put even a PowerPoint presentation to full screen to make it readable for the audience. I simply HATE IT since I have to work with them. I’m always told to think about diversity, accept their culture. My question, if they come to my country, take my fellow Hungarian’s job: should they accept my culture and accommodate that? They also ignore every ethics: don’t respond to meeting invitations, they don’t show up, ignore you every way. I am racist against them since I’m with SuccessFactors. In any form, I reject any publicity of my email address. I accept only anonymous quotes of my comment. Because I’m afraid of getting fired. it happened to some of my colleagues: called restructuring.
This is another comment from the EU, not from the US. After working in Hungary, I find Hungarians to be one of the most honest and straightforward cultures I have interacted with.
Hungarians don’t say things they don’t mean. Yet the sentiment is the same. Regarding the comment about Gypsies, many people do not know that Gypsies are not of European ethnicity. They actually originally immigrated from India hundreds of years ago.
This comment also reflects the fear of speaking out. If it were not for this fear, there would be many more public comments criticizing Indian behavior in IT.
Comment #30: Indians Hire Indians?
Indians only hire Indiana’s. This is a sick culture bringing to this country and a new format of discrimination has risen to reshape us workers.
This is one of a number of comments that point out Indians hire Indians
Companies like Cognizant specialize in replacing US workers with Indian workers. Without the H1-B program, they would lose their primary advantage in the marketplace.
Comment #31: Abuse of The L1 Visa?
L1 visas are now being used by many Fortune 500 companies to bring workers from India. When I was in consulting, average it would take 7-8 interviews to get the job. There was a Telugu candidate from bhramin background would get a job in 1st or 2nd round. A lot of discrimination happens against black, Latino, and Muslim background candidates. If you get interview calls they mostly will be disqualified after 1st round.
Indians have been enforcing the caste system in the US and in the EU.
Comment #32: Faking Resumes and Targeting the Jobs of US Domestic Workers?
Your article hit it right on. The following is what I wrote in January 2018 while working in a hostile work environment: I am so sick and tired of the cunning and arrogant Indians in my workplace. My work environment was mostly pleasant working with non-Indians before it turned into mostly Indians now. This is what I witnessed, the H1B Indians faked or inflated their resume to step foot in an organization, once they are in the organization, they worked as a gang, they helped their own. They were super polite initially while trying to get help from the more senior American co-workers, once we shared information with them, they would repackage the information, waste no time and send the work of their American co-workers to management and upper management and claimed it to be their work. They lied to get in and lied to stay in. If their American co-workers complain to the management (mostly Indians), the management would state this is knowledge sharing. Once they are in higher positions or in management, their other approach is to set trap on their American coworkers, give an unrealistic timeline and expect the American coworkers to achieve the timeline. They would then rate the Americans co-workers performance as not met expectations. The Americans couldn’t stand the unpleasant work environment and either quit their jobs or let go by management based performance not met expectations. This unfair treatments led to anger and resentment towards all Indians. The management love this, this is how they can save money and not having to pay severance packages. The H1B Indians counterparts know what they are doing, it is the strategy trained by their outsourcing companies, the nicer and extremely polite ones usually are the most crooked, and cunning ones. For those of us who still have a job and having to deal with these nasty H1B coworkers and greedy management, please don’t fall trap on their ‘niceness’. Understand that, management is not on your side (hopefully, our government would soon). Please don’t let them define who we are.
This is shocking behavior and is part of a demonstrated pattern exhibited by Indians to target the jobs of domestic IT workers and then have them replaced with Indians.
Comment #33: A Hostile Environment for US Workers?
I’ve worked at a company that was acquired by Wipro and immediately the culture shifted and management got more hostile. It was to the point where if someone wasn’t Indian, or the right type of Indian, their say was just ignored and their longevity in a position was compromised. Most of the skilled workers left in a mass exodus, and there was major turnover as people realized it’s really shitty to work for an Indian.
This is part of a large number of comments that US domestic workers tend to feel mistreated when they work for Indians. In India, abuse of workers is considered normal. This is another example of behavior brought in from India to the US and to other countries where Indians immigrate.
Comment #34: The Word From Singapore?
I’m an IT woker in Singapore. My view might be irrelevant in US settings, but Indian IT worker everywhere seems to behave the same. On my last 2 company, one is big MNC, Rockwell Automation, and another is small SME. Indian IT worker bully me to take my resignation and they are majority in number.
At the beginning they are not but due to some colleagues left they become majority. They together purposely make my job difficult, and they push me aside during meeting with unreasonable excuse. I think you have done your research well, perhaps all the trick on their sleeves. Thank you very much for your effort.
The story does not change regardless of the location. The same story is reported by ethnic Chinese living in Singapore by Thais living in the US, but Germans living in Germany.
Comment #35: Their Impact on Wages?
As an IT consultant they have had an impact on my wages. At one time I would be able to finish one contract and start another the next day. Now i have to search for 3 to 6 months to find that next contract. Also wages have gone down Currently making half what i used to make while I am working. I also was in a meeting and they conducted it in Hundi or what language they speak. When I complained I was escorted out and lost that contract.
Comment #36: Increase in Workplace Conflict?
Being a Muslim from South Asia I experienced this firsthand. I would report this in writing in my annual review. My Indian manager would re-write my reviews. I worked for a very large stock exchange and so I’m sure if the tapes are pulled you can find this. There have been several cases where Indian managers discriminated against their subordinates and they paid for it with their life. I hope it doesn’t happen again but if things continue as is I’m afraid there will be more as we have seen other workplaces violence. I hope things change for the better.
Comment #37: Chased Out of IT by Indians
I have been chased out of several IT jobs in the last 6 years, from groups of Indians falsifying stories to my superior – which lead to my resignation. I have been in IT for more than 35 years. My experience level is expert… and the Indians I worked with have barely a high school education, with very little technical knowledge. I can no longer find work, replaced by foreigners with not even 10% of my experience and skills. I will be leaving this industry! The US is missing out on my skills, and the skills of several of my friends who are leaving also. This is total tragedy. The Indians are boasting an untrue story, “They are the only technical people who can do the job”. Not true. They are using these lies to weave a story to position themselves in the positions that US citizens built!
Comment #38: A Global Phenomena?
Bringing in cheap Indian labor is an issue in all developed countries including New Zealand. I have followed the US IT sector for a number of years and you certainly have a problem. Other countries like ourselves here may have another name for the visas but we are all experiencing the same Indian immigration and jobseeking corruption here.(emphasis added) It is happening across all of our skilled industries including healthcare, agricultural labor, and hospitality.
The biggest issue is the speed at which they take over industries and no local people can get a job in the areas the Indians target. i.e. hospital support service and govt IT departments. Our elected officials are not looking after their own citizens. Thank you for your work writing this. Very much appreciated.
Comment #39: Total Takeover of Teams by Indians & Labor Exploitation?
My client is HPE. All members of each team at Deloitte and HPE were Indian, and I had to accommodate Indian IST time zone hours. At least 50+ different individuals across the many groups, but I am the only American. I am biracial and they expect me to know Hadoop and their environment like I architected it myself. Expected me to be on onboarding calls before I received my laptop, but was instructed not to bill for these calls.
Comment #40: How This All Began?
The Indian government started to support IT businesses in India for decades injecting $3B every year. No surprise what is going on. US government does nothing to protect domestic workers.
Comment #41: The Whole Village is Coming Over?
India manager will import the whole village to work.
Comment #42: Most Indians Are Positive And Honest — With 20-30% Bad Apples?
Honestly, my all Indians friends are quite positive and honest. According to me, 20-30% of Indians are assholes but not all are the same. It depends from person to person.
Comment #43: Faking Resumes and Degrees
This is a known fact that most Indians are fake IT professionals with fake resumes and fake degrees they make up as biproducts of their corrupt systems. Their job references they give in their resumes are fake in most cases as the people they give as reference, such people never worked for the xyz companies but act like if they were managers or supervisors or lead of the job seeker candidate at xyz company which is another gigantic fraud done by fake Indians IT Professionals.
The real tragedy is that most of these fake Indians IT Professionals are snatching our domestic jobs with massive lies and fake documents including fake resumes and fake degrees they make up. There must be serious actions taken against these fraudulent and fake Indians IT Professionals to ensure transparency, meritocracy and real accountability, and to ensure our jobs not to be taken out from us through cheating, lies, fraudulent ways. And if we fail to control the coming of fake IT Professionals from India, sooner the United States of American will become another India or similar like India, therefore we must do the right thing to correct the due course we need to correct once for all.
Comment #44: Forced Out?
All the issues highlighted in the article are all true. I am a Chinese in my home country, was in one of the biggest US IT company which is more than 100 years old, in Asia office, personally went through the same experience when the manager was Indian and followed by more Indian managers and saw many local colleagues, my formal hiring manager, executives, were forced out by very bad treatment from these manager and subsequently they hired another guy same rank as me. I had worked there for more than 11 years, as new hire, within less than a year he already started undermining me, shouted at me,(emphasis added)making me look bad in front of the Indian managers.
Of course they sided him and things just went right down from there. I was given all the projects that has very slim chance of winning, but still needed someone to do, so in the end my performance will look bad.
The Europeans, amercians left, local Asian left the company, and utilmately I also left because of the unfair treatment, unprofessional and rude behaviour. They will slowly force out those non Indians one by one with their rude attitude. With them around there is no way to fight when they all gang up against me.
When I took no pay leave and at the end of the vacation, that manager did not even pick up my phone call or reply at text messages, I had no choice but to ask another colleague to give me HR’s contact so that I can ask for a formal exit letter to end this hell treatment. I never thought this is so bad until I went through it myself just within 2 years. And I spoke to ex-colleagues from around me and even in US, they all face the same problems like me. This is all very true.
Comment #45: Pushing Down US Labor Standards?
Coincidentally, perhaps, the two Indian guys who got into leadership/management roles at companies I worked at, in CA and AZ, both actively discriminated in favor of Indian workers, especially wrt hiring, whether local or H-1B. I was let go (due to discrimination) from one company (and replaced by an Indian guy), and I managed to find a job to get away from the other company. With almost 20 years specifically relevant experience, I (and other, similar domestic guys) were forced to work as contractors, with few benefits, no vacation, etc, whilst Indian graduates on H-1B visas got the regular jobs, with benefits, career potential, and even leadership roles.
It’s a crazy world!
Comment #46: Indian Explosion After Dot Com Bubble?
When I started working in Silicon Valley in the 1980’s there were some Chinese and Russian workers, but few were in management. After dot-com the number of Indian workers and managers increased dramatically. That’s when working in IT became unpleasant.
Comment #47: Indians from India Discriminating Against Domestic US Indians
I have seen a preference of Indians from India for other Indians from India. Indians from India look down upon Indians from the US, although the latter group was born or grew up in this country.
Comment #48: Indians Like to Make Life a Hell for Domestic US IT Workers?
Indians make life a living hell for domestic workers by frustrating you until you leave.
Comment #49: Indians Bring Bullying and Loss of Work Life Balance?
I don’t work in the US but I have worked for a US company in Australia that was run by Indians. I am an Afghan Australian woman in the tech industry.
My experience has been consistently the same in every company where there was an influx of Indian workers; the bullying, loss of work-life balance, nepotism is rampant. I think the only way to mitigate this trend is to have this phenomenon exposed in the media.
We have addressed social issues like the holocaust, Islamophobia, racism against colored people and this is like any of those topics.
It’s not racist to call out injustice.
Indian culture has steeped in the caste system for thousands of years and they are now trying to take root in countries around the world. It is a form of mental harassment that not only stifles work but affects your health and well being. I am married to an Indian man and in no way am I prejudiced against Indians. My opinion has been formed after working and trying to pacify my coworkers for nearly a decade. There are bad apples in every society/race. But I take particular notice of Indian workers as their mob-mentality is unlike anything I have seen in other cultures.
Comment #50: Adopt a Middle Eastern Approach to Immigration?
Indian workers are sh**. send them back to India. Stop giving citizenship to aliens. Adopt a middle-eastern approach to immigration.
Comment #51: How Bad Is Indian Discrimination Now in the US?
Discrimination on non-Indians from Indians is truly becoming worse in US IT workplaces. In the long run, it’ll hurt not only American workers but also American values!!
Comment #52: Only Brought Over Because They are South Indian and Speak Telugu & Tamil?
People are brought in from India just because they are South-Indians and speak a particular languages like Telugu, Tamil and to some extent Malyalam and Kannada.
People in particular from Andhra Pradesh, Telangana and TamilNadu are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to U.S universities to come on student visa in U.S and then complete M.S in U.S. They know that after completing M.S they are guaranteed to get job in some U.S company because U.S companies prefer H1-B workers.
The reason for that is the management has become all Telugu and Tamil speaking in majority of U.S companies and they want to hire Telugu and Tamil speaking people. People from India who speak other languages like Punjabi, Gujarathi, Marathi also face heavy discrimination in U.S from the Telugu and Tamil speaking people.
Comment #53: It is True…From and Indian Worker
I am Indian origin worker. It’s very true they are very corrupt in mind and discriminatory. These things are rampant in the US. In 2018, The states of Andhra Pradesh(Hyderabad city is in this state. Now this state is split into two states viz. Andhra Pradesh and Telangana in 2014) and Tamilnadu(Madras/Chennai is the leading city in this state) was rated #1 and #2 in corruption. They wouldn’t let any other Indian their IT team. See the 2011(tri-valley university scam) where Almost 90% students was from Andhra Pradesh and had the same address of an apartment for fake college admission just to get OPT VISA.
Comment #54: The Fault of Middle Management?
This is a purely middle to higher management and corporations caused problem. They are greedy for their bonus or payouts and accept anyone who will half do the job for less than a quarter of the cost.
Indians Attempting to Scam the Survey
Three Indians tried to scam the survey, and one provided a fake response to try to invalidate the survey. The one Indian open answer that was provided below, and which we consider illegitimate and an attempt to undermine the survey is included below.
Yes i felt bad and hostile environment in Indian IT firm, They layed me off replacing cheap dirty indian guy.
None of these stories would ever find their way into the establishment media. Instead, the stories they focus on is why Indians are necessary for competitiveness, or why some Indians that want Green Cards can’t get them, or whatever other narrative takes the position of the Indian worker seeking to immigrate. There are virtually no articles in the establishment IT media that discuss the impact on wages; even though, if any industry receives large numbers of imported workers, those wages will decline. This exact thing happened in the Los Angeles construction market, large numbers of illegal alien laborers from Mexico suffused the labor market, the labor union participation declined, and wages declined significantly, with many of the original US domestic workers leaving the area or leaving the profession.
This lack of coverage prevents the development of a popular movement that would counteract the desire for corporations to bring in a seemingly unlimited number of Indian workers. As we cover in the article How the H1-B Program Understates The True Number of Yearly H1-B Visas, all of the published numbers of foreign workers are deliberately underreported to make the US domestic workers think the numbers of foreign workers coming in are not that high. When they are all counted, there are probably 300,000 foreign workers coming into the US every year — yet, this has no impact on wages? It does.
This is the problem with having an IT media that only responds to the interests of corporations and sees itself serving as a PR or propaganda function for its advertisers.