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Comment #1: From Maya

I wish the government puts a restriction on offshore jobs and H1 visas.

All this is because of greedy companies wanting to pay next to nothing in exchange for the skills needed.

Hope this greed gets halted by the government and bring jobs back to USA…
Instead of silently watching domestic unemployment sky-rocket the government should have put tax break or incentives for companies that hire local talent and increase tax for companies who resort to exporting American Jobs! I can only hope one day we will have a candidate that will actually do right by American Citizens…i am so sick and tried of getting endless calls and emails from scummy Indian recruiters.

This is probably only going to get worse and more and more Indians enter the country. This undermines part of the argument about the need for skills, as the Indian recruiters that live in the US don’t even have skills, they can often not interact in English.

Trump is trying to curb this, but he is up against the WOKE mindset and major corporations. Biden has stated he will essentially increase Indian immigration. See our article How Trump is the Only Person Doing Anything About Out of Control Indian IT Immigration.

Comment #2: From Maya

Sure, such situation is forcing my hand in to considering voting for Trump. I am not even a fan of him but i have choose the lesser evil at the end of the day..

Yes. It is not a political endorsement of Trump overall — but Biden has been clear that he intends to completely bow to the H1-B Lobby. Biden and Kamala intend to hand over as many jobs as possible to foreign workers. It is a strange state of affairs where even Republicans (well really only Trump), actually are more concerned about US domestic workers than Democrats. But not only are Democrats anti-worker, but they are also very anti-white. See this article for how the DNC is actively now the party of non-whites and of promoting diversity (that is anti-white signaling) and victimization. See the article, The DNC is Now the Party Only for Non-White People.¬†

Comment #3: From Maya

It come surprise getting such comment from an immigrant who worked had to earn citizenship and also person of color. The one political party I thought represented me keeps on disappointing. The silence on American jobs has remained deafening.

I never saw myself voting for a republican let alone Trump; but here we are…
The democrat party will eat out itself eventually…

This is a popular article for the site. Domestic IT workers are waking up to the game that Indian workers have been playing. I think it is also important to note, as you have that working with Indians is intolerable. You lose every time you work with them. And the Indian culture is one of abuse. So abusing employees is considered perfectly fine with Indians. That should tell us a lot. It means that Indians naturally have an uncivilized culture. I worked with Indians in IT for over two decades. And I can say that I wish I had never met any of the Indians I ran into along the way. It is unfair to workers raised in the US or Europe to be made to work with Indians as they are not trained on how unhanded the culture is. At this point, if I am listening to an Indian, I now assume that the information is rigged or the person is lying. In India there is absolutely no concept where you tell the truth. This is why we do not want Indians involved in research or in providing information.

Comment #4: O-Dell

Until this problem with Indians discriminating against non-Indians is eliminated, the best course of action for a domestic, non-Indian who wishes to remain in the IT field is to discover and focus on well paying IT or IT related career fields in which Indians do not dominate. It seems like such tech fields are ones where there is little to no coding experience required.

O-dell. I like that you are trying to come up with solutions. However, following that course of action would probably push a large number of domestic IT workers into non-technical roles like project management.

Such a large number of workers getting into project management would naturally depress wages for project managers or other non-technical types of roles. And there is a second problem — there are many technical roles versus less technical roles. I like that you are coming up with ideas. But with around 300,000 foreign workers coming in a year (I cover in a separate article how the H1-B cap massively understates the true numbers.). How The H1-B Program Understates The True Number of Yearly H1-B Visas.

There are just too many coming in to accommodate domestic workers. Many domestic workers will have to leave IT. Indians, along with multinationals, have been lying to domestic workers about virtually everything on these foreign worker visas.

Look at the articles that are published in conventional media outlets. Almost any article talks about the need for skills or how unfair it is the queue is so long, or why H4 spouses can’t work immediately, or why more family members cannot come over to support the H1-B work, or why there is such a long line for green cards, etc. There is not a word about what the invasion by Indian workers and recruiters means for domestic workers. Not a word about Indian discrimination. Not a word about the hostile work environment created by so many Indians — that are accustomed to tribal behavior and nepotism back in India. The role of the domestic worker is to try to make the environment for Indians as comfortable as possible.

This is the problem with media entities being dominated by the interests of massive technology companies. These media entities go back and beg for advertisements and paid placements. US politicians and multinationals have created an environment that has to push out US domestic workers. If we look at what happened in STEM — as soon as domestic workers begin to turn away from IT — that will be used by H1-B lobbyists to argue that domestic workers don’t WANT to work in IT. And this will be used to further increase the H1-B visa and other foreign worker visa programs, letting even more Indians in.

US domestic workers are up against the largest tech companies. Look at which companies lobbied for the recent HR.1044 bill. Why Are 47 Entities Lobbying in Favor of the H.R.1044 IT Immigration Bill?

We are up against fearsome forces. And I don’t know what to do about it. I will say this. Trump just stopped H1-B visas until the end of the year. I don’t know how many loopholes there are. I am quite sure there will not be deportations of H1-B visa holders who do not have jobs now, and they will just stay. Most of them drop an anchor baby as soon as they possibly can. That is why the wife comes over immediately. As soon as Indians have a way into a white originated country — they will chew off their foot to get in and do whatever they have to do to stay.

Comment #5: From a Person With Experience With Indians in the Middle East

“Hi. I absolutely agree with this article. I just left the job because of Indian boss and his favorite. He hired her only because she is from his homeland city and she has 0 experience in IT field. She lied in her resume about her 10 years ago work in IT support. She get higher rank and pay and she kept asking from day one about open positions in any IT department because she already has someone to fill in. She pushed me out by hiding work related information for making me look incompetent. She is very selfish and self seeking. And our Indian boss always ignores any complaints about it. He will tell you that you are a bad person and should work on your soft skills. She really had 0 experience and no degree or certification. He required certification from me and I passed Comptia A + but he kept me at same low position I was and twice lower pay as his Indian favorite. The environment became impossible to work and I left. I know my manager already has replacement for me, 19 year old Indian in our department, who got hired as a helper with 0 experience and already got all of the training. So I was pushed out for him.

IT field was my joy! I contributed lots in our department but I realized there are no ways to grow because I am a white woman”

These types of comments fit a pattern of the Indians not being concerned with making much of an effort to hide the discrimination. It has not become simply accepted that Indians will replace non-Indians workers. Another common situation is where wives are hired into companies where their husband’s work — but the wives don’t actually do the work they are assigned. The work is done by their husbands. This way a family takes in two paychecks. Commentators on Indian workers will often comment that Indians are “successful” in the workforce — and therefore they are “good immigrants.” What is generally entirely left out of the conversation is that most Indians are cheating to keep opportunities away from other workers. I have written this several times, India is not a civilized country, it is a nation of people who are brought up to cheat. Cheating is rampant in everything from nepotism to parents passing test answers through windows at schools. Most domestic IT workers in Indian target countries like US, Canada, Australia and Western Europe are entirely unprepared to deal with these types of tactics. I am trying to educate domestic US workers to understand that they cannot trust Indians that they work with. And that, to the degree possible, they need to protect themselves from Indian workers. Most US domestic workers are taught to treat people on the basis of merit and to treat people equally. Indians cannot be treated this way. They must be treated as individuals with a hostile intent. Indians that live in Western countries have a large number of Indian associations back in India — they feel obligated to help them get out of India, no matter what method they use to do so.

And she continued with her quote..

“Your research is very important, our voices can be heard. I never thought that people from a Third world country would be so racist and territorialist like Indians. I worked with people from South and Central Americas, Europeans, Japanese and I’ve never felt so mistreated by those people.

They feel entitled to get our jobs here and hire only their people! And I saw they share the programming codes for their group and when I asked for help, they pretended they knew nothing!! I’ve never worked with such a selfish and egocentric management! I feel bad for the few Americans and other races that are still working there.

I will recommend them never, ever hire an Indian in the company.”

This is of course a well known rule in the Gulf countries…

“Everyone in the Middle East has the same ethical problems. If you hire one Indian, they only hire fellow Indians then they pillage the company. Egyptians and other Arabs do the same. That is why Westerners are useful.”

Indians infiltrate companies and take them over. They drive out others and install an Indian social structure within these companies.

This is why its important not to consider Indian H1-Bs as normal immigration. This is part of an industrial policy by India to capture the IT sector in European based countries.

I thought this quote was applicable and related to the quote above. I found it from a video on Dubai.

“Everyone in the Middle East has the same ethical problems. If you hire one Indian, they only hire fellow Indians then they pillage the company. Egyptians and other Arabs do the same. That is why Westerners are useful.”

Comment #6: From a Person Working in an Indian Consultancy

“Hi, I work in western Europe and recently changed job from one big international IT Consultancy to another (non-Indian). What I didn’t know was that the workforce is 80% Indian in my new company whereas it was only 10-15% in my previous job.

The difference is so stark.

The work culture is unbearable in my new job and you can definitely attribute it to the Indian super majority presence. Many of these Indian employees are not qualified and try to get you do their job. The most absurd thing is one individual who is on a working visa to work at client site but refuses to engage in communication with the client and tries to get you do the most challenging work for them! They know they have the backing of the Indian team lead so they know they’ll get away with it. I’ve never worked in such a hostile and unprofessional environment.

I am looking for other jobs. My current job is doomed due to the Indian dominance.”

Comment #7: From a Person Who Worked for a Large Pharmaceutical Company

“This article described everything that I went thru a big pharma company in NJ. I am woman from Latin origin, I worked in IT for 3 years, and I suffered this type of discrimination from Indian managers.

My direct manager was American, and he tried to hired me in a full time position at this pharma company, and his boss (Indian off course) hired an Indian candidate. My friend (also woman and white) said the job positions I applied were fulfilled with Indians.

This is not fair, some politician should implement a quota for foreigners like in Switzerland to restrict these type of people take over the IT jobs!”

Indians naturally don’t admit to any of this — in public of course. But a number of Indians have reached out to complain about discrimination by caste — but this is well known in the industry.

Comment #8: From Jay Kay

Look at the destruction of Windows Phone under Satya Nadella, problems plaguing Windows 10 Updates *every* freaking time at Microsoft under the same guy, people are getting more and more fed up and I wonder if these unfair practices are root cause of these problems? Now it’s Intel’s turn with its recent allegations of Indian managers discriminatory practices. If this is indeed related to current woes of Intel, then this must be stopped otherwise Intel will certainly die a gradual and certain death.

Intel has never faced so many problems before these discriminatory practices were widespread. We are losing much innovation and inheriting problems from these fakers and fraudsters!

I would like to agree, but Microsoft has always been a bad company.

However, generally, it is true that you can predict the decline of a company on the basis of whether it has a high degree of Indians as employees. IBM, EBay and Cisco are notable examples. Indians work in a company when they are in the minority, and this means they extract from the rest of the company for their personal benefit. But a company can only tolerate so many of these types of employees.

Comment #9: From an American Hired by an Indian Firm

“I was hired by UST global an Indian firm that was originally American but was bought out. My assignment was located out of state so I packed my bags an moved there. It was a 600 mile trip. The company did not offer relocation assistance because I was hired through a sub-contractor. Starting from day one the support I received was non-existent. I was supposed to go through a bunch of training videos without a single person being there to explain or answer questions. If i complained they made me “stupid”. The person who was supposed to be my point man called in sick and decided to work from home from then on. About 6 weeks into this new job i was suddenly let go for no apparent reason?

They said something about lack of work. I was devastated after spending all that money in hotels and eating out. The company did not show the slight bit of empathy. They said my firing/lay off would take effect immediately ! Since i had family living in that state the were confused and devastated also.”

Comment #10: From an Indian

I myself is an Indian working in UK as a contract Developer. I must say that Shaun gave the MOST accurate representation of the Indian recruitment system. This article gave me a solid confirmation on few things about how greedy these recruiters are and how they loot the employee.

This article gave me a closure on “completely avoiding Indian Recruitment companies”

The reason I took my time to write this message is that, I have been effected by these people with unfair day rates and being taken advantage of. It’s comforting to see that someone acknowledging or raising their voice against the unfairness and unethical aspects of these recruiters.

This explains that while Indians benefit from Indian recruiters in that Indian recruiters discriminate against US domestic workers in favor of Indian workers, they also still lose because working for an Indian recruiter means working for a culture that does not respect workers, that chisels them down on rates and supports labor exploitation, and also provide very poor communication skills.

If Indians wanted to work under Indian labor conditions, they would have stayed in India. Indian recruiters represent the implementation of partial Indian labor standards into the US labor market. The more Indians influence the labor market, the more exploitation there will be.

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